[But I guess they can’t since the new blog disabled comments]
Back before I joined forces with November P. to create Hollaback PNW, I was in charge of the mildly disastrous Hollaback Seattle. People still comment on the Seattle blog but mostly on a certain post in which I talked about sexist (and homophobic and racist) t-shirts (which was also cross-posted at Shrub.com and my old blog).
Deciding to include sexist t-shirts as part of Hollaback Seattle and Hollaback PNW is not something that I just did on a whim. The hollaback “formula” if you could call it that, is very clearly concerned with street harassment as its roots are in the subways and sidewalks of New York. I whole-heartedly believe in that mission but to me, wearing a t-shirt that says “millions of myself died on your daughter’s face last night” or some shit is very, very similar to a guy saying “millions of myself died on your daughter’s face last night” (i’m going from memory, but that or something similar, is an actual t-shirt that was sold by a certain website). It’s not the exact same thing, but it’s along the same type of thinking that I was willing to put emphasis on that as a part of what Hollaback PNW does.
The folks who stumbled across the Seattle blog and read the post, don’t really agree:
A frequently overused cliche unfortunately applies here: Lighten up. A T-Shirt isn’t the same as sexual assault, and suggesting otherwise is bullshit — just ask anyone who’s been a victim of the real thing.
People that wear shirts like that make themselves look like assholes. Stop worrying that they don’t respect you; it’s clear that they don’t respect themselves, and they’re doing you a favor by letting you know that they’re not worthy of your respect either.
First of all, I never said that a sexist t-shirt was the same thing as sexual assault so immediately you’re reading something other than the actual post. Second, though it could in theory be sometimes convenient to know that an asshole is an asshole if he wears so on his t-shirt, in practice that’s ridiculous because it just excuses any sexist, racist or homophobic behavior and place the responsibility on the others to just walk away or ignore it.
I feel strongly about this so I felt the need to comment, despite how long it’s been since this has been posted..
I don’t get the big deal. My fiancé loves Tshirt Hell and I also find the contents humorous. I can understand why you are insulted, but you need to understand -it’s a joke-. People who actually mean the things on the tshirts, for example “I belong in the kitchen” with a picture of a girl on it, are indeed assholes. But you have to understand that the shirts are purely sarcasm and poking fun at stereotypes and how seriously they’re taken.
People take things so seriously that saying a word that even suggests anything automatically makes you racist, sexist, or a pig. But it’s not the word. It’s the person.
Tshirt hell is purely for the sake of being controversial. I dislike disrespectful tshirts, but when I do they’re actually being serious and mean what the shirts says.
There is a huge difference between seriousness and sarcasm. You kind of jumped right over the line and assumed that all of it is serious. For example.. Do you seriously think someone really means it when they say they like women ground up in the freezer? I mean god. When you read ‘like I like my coffee’ you think of something normal, warm, maybe sweet, but when you see the back you get something gross and shocking. It’s purely for kicks, for reaction, for shock.
My love of my life also has that shirt and it made me laugh. (he’s no pig, he’s no brutal being, he’s gentle, sweet, and shy, and very kind.) He bought it because he loves sarcastic jokes, and he likes controversial things.
You can hate all people who mean it, all people who wear things that make a statement about the way women should be or stereotypes about other groups.. But be careful before you take it seriously. Not all of those shirts are made to be anything but laughed or gaped at.
So…as long as I preface anything I do with “this is meant to be controversial…I know people aren’t going to like this” i’m out of the woods? Well, then I guess I can go ahead and print those hilarious VT shooting t-shirts i’ve been thinking of because after all, i’m just that much of a “rebel” who doesn’t care and I welcome the big old controversy storm and since I consider myself such a softie on the inside, who cares?
And no, I don’t think people mean this seriously but it doesn’t mean that it’s not offensive. I can’t make this any clearer. Most so called jokes that end up being incredibly offensive to different groups aren’t meant to be serious but what they talk about isn’t a laughing matter. It does not in any way excuse the joke from being a piece of shit or the joke writer from being a piece of shit.
But going back to my hilarious VT t-shirt idea…I wasn’t being serious, I swears! I’m just being sarcastic and witty and pushing the envelope. I mean seriously, can you imagine a comic appearing on the Tonight Show and attempting to make a joke about VT? Any joke. Can you in any capacity see a joke that wouldn’t get a reaction of stunned silence if not a hurtling of boos? It’s because a joke about VT wouldn’t be the least bit funny. We all agree that it’s a horrible tragedy because people died, people were hurt, people suffered in unbelievable ways. Why don’t we think the same way when the jokes are about men killing women, domestic violence or rape?
But that’s only a certain portion of the offensive t-shirts. Many of the t-shirts in question don’t make fun of murder, DV or rape but objectify and degrade women through crude sexual jokes of the most Kappa Kappa Gamma variety. And with this people say, “well, it’s not MURDER is it?” which again, i’m exhausted having to say this again and again to these folks: you cannot compare this oppression with that oppression and say that since once is worse in your eyes that the other doesn’t matter and doesn’t deserve airtime. If people really thought like this, we’d roll our eyes when a kid got into a car accident and broke a limb and talk about how a kid got cancer in Mexico and then talk about how kids in North Korea don’t have food to eat and then kids in Africa don’t have food to eat and are made to be child soldiers.
What i’ve learned from this t-shirt thing is this: people don’t and will not take it seriously (all the t-shirts, from the DV to degrading frat jokes one) because most folks are hell bent on comparing EVERYTHING to do with women as “if it doesn’t involve a vicious beating and rape that resulted in death” then it’s not worth talking about. Realizing that this is how our society situates violence against women, oppression of women is pretty fucking infuriating and depressing because it’s a way of the patriarchy building giant roadblocks in front of itself: it stops people from ever digging deeper when they’re convinced that this is what oppression looks like and anything else is just being too sensitive, if not paranoid.